Excerpt from Neale Donald Walsch's
Conversations with God, an uncommon dialogue, Book III
want to get back to my question. Can you tell us anything about when life as we
know it starts? At what point does the soul enter the body?
The soul doesn't enter the body. The body is enveloped by the soul. Remember
what I said before? The body does not house the soul. It is the other way around.
Everything is always alive. There is no such thing as "dead".
There is no such state of being.
That Which Is Always Alive simply
shapes itself into a new form-a new physical form. That form is charge with living
energy, the energy of life, always.
Life-if you are calling life
the energy that I AM-is always there. It is never not there. Life never ends,
so how can there be a point when life begins?
C'mon, help me
out here. You know that I'm trying to get at.
Yes, I do. You
want Me to enter the abortion debate.
Yes, I do! I admit it!
I mean, I've got God here, and I have a chance to ask the monumental question.
When does life begin?
And the answer is so monumental,
you can't hear it.
Try me again.
begins. Life never "begins", because life never ends. You want to get
into biological technicalities so that you can make up a little "rule"
based on what you want to call "God's law" about how people should behave-then
punish them if they do not behave that way.
What's wrong with
that? That would allow us to kill doctors in the parking lots of clinic with impunity.
Yes, I understand. You have used Me, and what you have declared to be My laws,
as justification for all sorts of things through the years.
Oh, come on! Why won't You just say that terminating a pregnancy is murder!
You cannot kill anyone or anything.
No. But you can end
its "individuation"! And in our language, that's killing.
You cannot stop the process wherein which a part of Me individually expresses
in a certain way without the part of Me that is expressing in that way agreeing.
What? What are You saying?
I am saying that nothing happens
against the will of God.
Life, and all this is occurring, is an expression
of God's will-read that, your will-made manifest.
I have said in this dialogue,
your will is My will. That is because there is only One of Us.
God's will, expressing perfectly. If something was happening against God's will,
it couldn't happen. By definition of Who and What God Is, it couldn't happen.
Do you believe that, as individuals, you can affect each other in ways in which
the other does not want to be affected? Such a belief would have to be based on
the idea that you are separate from each other.
Do you believe that you
can somehow affect life in a way in which God does not want life to be affected?
Such a belief would have to be based on an idea that you are separate from Me.
Both ideas are false.
It is arrogant beyond measure for you to believe
that you can affect the universe in a way with which the universe does not agree.
You are dealing with mighty forces here, and some of you believe that you are
mightier than the mightiest force. Yet you are not. Nor are you less mighty than
the mightiest force.
You are the mightiest force. No more, no less. So
let the force be with you!
Are You saying that I can't kill
anybody without his or her permission? Are You telling me that, at some higher
level, everyone who has ever been killed has agreed to be killed?
You are looking at things in earthly terms and thinking of things in earthly
terms, and none of this is going to make sense to you.
help thinking in "earthly terms." I am here, right now, on the Earth!
I tell you this: You are "in this world, but not of it."
So my earthly reality is not reality at all?
Did you really
think it was?
I don't know.
thought, "There's something larger going on here"?
Well, yes, sure I have.
Well, this is what's going on. I'm
explaining it to you.
Okay. I got it. So I guess I can just
go out now and kill anybody, because I couldn't have done it anyway if they hadn't
In fact, the human race acts that way. It's interesting
that you're having such a hard time with this, yet you're going around acting
as if it were true anyway.
Or, worse yet, you are killing people against
their will, as if it didn't matter!
Well, of course it matters!
It's just that what we want matter more. Don't You get it? In the moment we humans
kill somebody, we are not saying that the fact that we've done that doesn't matter.
Why, it would be flippant to think that. It's just that what we want matters more.
I see. So it's easier for you to accept that it's okay to kill others against
their will. This you can do with impunity. It's doing it because it is their will
that you feel is wrong.
I never said that. That's not how
It isn't? Let Me show you how hypocritical some
of you are. You say it is okay to kill somebody against their will so long as
you have a good and sufficient reason for wanting them dead, as in war, for instance,
or an execution - or a doctor in the parking lot of an abortion clinic. Yet if
the other person feels they have a good and sufficient reason for wanting themselves
dead, you may not help them die. That would be assisted suicide," and that
would be wrong!
You are making mock of me.
No, you are making mock of Me. You are saying that I would condone your killing
someone against his will, and that I would condemn your killing someone in accordance
with his will.
This is insane.
Still, you not only fail to see the
insanity, you actually claim that those who point out the insanity are the ones
who are crazy. You are the ones who have your head on straight, and they are just
And this is the kind of tortured logic with which you construct
entire lives and complete theologies.
I've never looked at
it quite that way.
I tell you this: The time has come for
you to look at things in a new way. This is the moment of your rebirth, as an
individual and as a society. You must re-create your world now, before you destroy
it with your insanities.
Now listen to Me.
We are all One.
There is only One of Us.
You are not separate from Me, and you are not
separate from each other.
Everything We are doing, We are doing in concert
with each other. Our reality is a co-created reality. If you terminate a pregnancy,
We terminate a pregnancy. Your will is My will.
No individual aspect of
Divinity has power over any other aspect of Divinity. It is not possible for one
soul to affect another against its will. There are no victims and there are no
You cannot understand this from your limited perspective; but
I am telling you it is so.
There is only one reason to be, do, or have
anything-as a direct statement of Who You Are, If Who You Are, as an individual
and as a society, is who you choose and desire to be, there is no reason to change
anything. If, on the other hand, you believe there is a grander experience waiting
to be had-an even greater expression of Divinity than the one currently manifesting-then
move into that truth.
Since all of Us are co-creating, it may serve Us
to do what we can to show others the way that some parts of Us wish to go. You
can be a way-show-er, demonstrating the life that you'd like to create, and inviting
others to follow your example. You might even say, "I am the life and the
way. Follow me." But be careful. Some people have been crucified for making
Thank You. I'll heed the warning. I'll keep
a low profile.
I can see that you're doing a real good job
Well, when you say you're having a conversation with
God, it's not easy to keep a low profile.
As others have discovered.
Which might be a good reason to keep my mouth shut.
little late for that.
Well, whose fault is that?
I see what you mean.
It's okay. I forgive you.
How can you forgive Me?
Because I can understand why You did it. I understand why You came to me, and
started this dialogue. And when I understand why something was done, I can forgive
all the complications that it may have caused or created.
Hmmm. Now that's interesting. Would that you could think of God as being so magnificent
an unusual relationship with Me. In some ways you think you could never be as
magnificent as Me, and in other ways you think I cannot be as magnificent at you.
Don't you find that interesting?
It's because you think We are separated. These imaginings would leave you
if you thought that We were One.
This is the main difference between your
culture-which is a "baby" culture, really; a primitive culture-and the
highly evolved cultures of the universe. The most significant difference is that
in highly evolved cultures, all sentient beings are clear that there is no separation
between themselves and what you call "God."
They are also clear
that there is no separation between themselves and others. They know that they
are each having an individual experience of the whole.
good. Now You're going to get into the highly evolved societies of the universe.
I've been waiting for this.
Yes, I think it's time we explored
But before we do, I simply must return one last time
to the abortion issue. You're not saying here that, because nothing can happen
to the human soul against its will, it's okay to kill people, are You? You're
not condoning abortion, or giving us a "way out" on this issue, are
I am neither condoning nor condemning abortion, any more
than I condone or condemn war.
The people of every country think I condone
the war they are fighting, and condemn the war that their opponent is fighting,
. the people of every nation believe they have "God on their side."
Every cause assumes the same thing. Indeed, every person feels the same thing-or
at least hopes it is true whenever any decision or choice is made.
do you know why all creatures believe God is on their side? Because I am. And
all creatures have an intuitive knowing of this.
This is just another way
of saying, "Your will for you is My will for you." And that is just
another way of saying, I have given you all free will.
There is no free
will if to exercise it in a certain ways produces punishment. That makes a mockery
of free will and renders it counterfeit.
So with regard to abortion or
war, buying that car or marrying that person, having sex or not having sex, "doing
your duty" or not "doing your duty," there is no such thing as
right and wrong, and I have no preference in the matter.
You are all in
the process of defining yourselves. Every act is an act of self-definition.
If you are pleased with how you have created yourself, if it serves you, you will
continue doing so in that way. If you are not, you will stop. This is called evolution.
The process is slow because, as you evolve, you keep changing your ideas about
what really serves you; you keep changing your concepts of "pleasure."
Remember what I said earlier. You can tell how highly a person or society has
evolved by what that being or society calls "pleasure." And I will add
here, by what it declares to serve it.
If it serves you to go to war and
kill other beings, you will do so. If it serves you to terminate a pregnancy,
you will do so. The only thing that changes as you evolve is your idea of what
serves you. And that is based on what you think you are trying do to.
you are trying to get to Seattle, it will not serve you to head towards San Jose.
It is not "morally wrong" to go to San Jose-it simply doesn't serve
The question of what you are trying to do, then, becomes a question
of prime importance. Not just in your life in general, but in every moment of
your life specifically. Because it is in the moments of life that a life itself
All of this was covered in great detail in the beginning of
our holy dialogue, which you have come to call Book 1. I am repeating it here
because you seem to need a reminder, or you would never have asked Me your question
When you are preparing to have your abortion, therefore, or
when you are preparing to smoke that cigarette, or when you are preparing to fry
and eat that animal, and when you are preparing to cut that man off in traffic-whether
the matter is large or small, whether the choice is major or minor, there is only
one question to consider: Is this Who I Really Am? Is this who I now choose to
And understand this: No matter is inconsequential. There is a consequence
to everything. The consequence is who and what you are.
You are in the
act of defining your Self right now.
That is your answer to the abortion
question. That is your answer to the war question. That is your answer to the
smoking question and the meat-eating question and to every question about behavior
you've ever had.
Every act is an act of self-definition. Everything you
think, say, and do declares, "This is Who I Am."
women to decide.
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